12-30-24 part 1: Love Your Spouse First: A Biblical Perspective on Family
This podcast episode features Dr. David Spoon as he delves into the importance of older women teaching younger women in the faith, emphasizing that these lessons should focus on love for their husbands and children. Dr. Spoon discusses the scriptural basis for this teaching, highlighting the significance of maintaining unity in marriage to effectively raise children. He challenges societal views that elevate children above the marital relationship, asserting that a strong partnership between parents is essential for a healthy family dynamic. Throughout the episode, he encourages listeners to embrace their roles in nurturing faith within their families and communities. Listeners will also find humor and engaging commentary as Dr. Spoon navigates through biblical teachings and contemporary issues, making the discussion both informative and entertaining.
A key theme of the episode revolves around the teachings from the book of Titus, specifically focusing on the roles and responsibilities of older women in the church. Dr. Spoon delves into the scriptural injunctions that call for older women to be examples of reverent behavior, emphasizing the significance of mentorship in guiding younger generations. He articulates the idea that older women are not only to refrain from slander and excessive drinking but are also called to teach what is good and encourage younger women in their roles as wives and mothers. This teaching is contextualized within a broader discussion on family dynamics, where Dr. Spoon argues that the love between spouses should precede love for children, advocating for unity and collaboration in parenting. He challenges societal norms that prioritize children over marital relationships, stressing that a strong foundation in marriage benefits the entire family.
Takeaways:
- The importance of community prayer is emphasized, where everyone is encouraged to share their needs.
- Older women in the church are called to be mentors and examples of godly behavior.
- Unity between spouses is crucial for raising children in a healthy environment.
- Excessive drinking is warned against as it can lead to harmful speech and behavior.
- The biblical commandment stresses love for one's husband as primary before children.
- The role of women in teaching younger generations is affirmed, highlighting their significance.
Transcript
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David:We are in Titus.
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David:Titus 2, 3.
David:It says this in the same way.
David:Older women are to be reverent in behavior.
David:Remember, he just talked about men being older men being reverent in behavior.
David:Now he's saying the same thing.
David:Older women are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderous, not slaves to excessive drinking.
David:They are to teach what is good.
Speaker D:So that they may encourage the younger.
David:Woman to love their husbands, to love their children, to be self controlled, pure workers at home, kind and in submission to their husbands, so the word of.
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David:So let's go back to this Titus 2, picking it up at verse 3, where Paul's giving his young protege instructions on how to deal with different groups of people in the social ladder of life.
David:And it's addressing women and how Titus as a minister, people in general should also should engage with older women.
David:And those women should be magnifying and manifesting godly character.
David:Now, I'll make this statement, and you can take offense to it, or you can take a gate to it, or you can take a torch to it doesn't matter.
David:I'm still going to make the statement.
Speaker D:Older women are to be examples now.
David:To be reverent in behavior, which means respectful, obnoxious older women.
David:All you have to do is think of a TV show like the View to recognize what is not respectful.
David:There is nothing respectful about those people.
David:And so the Scripture goes on to.
Speaker D:Declare that older women need not to be slanderous, nor, by the way, slaves of excessive drinking.
David:This is now a second time where Paul connects the words that we speak with drinking.
Speaker D:It doesn't say she can't have wine.
David:It's excessive drinking.
David:It's pretty clear.
David:And why should you not have excessive drinking and do a lot of talking for all those BC people that know exactly what that means?
David:Because sometimes when you do excessive drinking, you do a lot of talking.
Speaker D:Get it?
David:Okay, so those are very bad, bad combinations.
David:So there's a specific reason the Holy Spirit put these two together.
Speaker D:Sometimes when people drink, it doesn't just.
David:Loosen up their mind, but their tongues.
David:And out comes a lot of things that should not have ever been spoken.
David:Don't lie.
David:Of course, the Lord forgives people for that.
David:But don't encourage it and don't facilitate it and don't participate in it.
Speaker D:But these are wonderful women.
David:This is not something where Titus is going, oh, they're all bad, or Paul's going to Titus.
Speaker D:They're all bad.
David:They're all bad.
David:These are phenomenal women.
David:These wonderful women are to teach what is good and to encourage younger women to love their husbands.
David:I just got to get this nailed down right here.
David:I don't care what anybody says.
David:This should not get lost.
David:The older women are supposed to teach what is good.
David:And in the church, there are people that say, well, no, no, no, women can't.
David:Okay, first of all, that's not what it says.
David:You are taking what Paul is talking about in doctrine and applying it to Every other possible realm.
David:Women are encouraged to teach specifically younger women.
David:So don't say women can't teach.
David:What Paul was talking about in the passage where it's women are not supposed to peak is specifically.
David:And it's in the context in lieu of doctrine.
David:But that doesn't mean they don't teach.
David:In fact, prophesying.
David:Let's just use that for a split second.
David:It's 1 Corinthians 12 and 1 Corinthians 14.
David:Talk about prophesying.
David:Now, people always think of prophesying.
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David:Oh, I'm going to prophesy.
David:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
David:Okay, first of all, the Bible says that prophecy is speaking unto men to edification, exhortation, and comfort.
David:Did you hear what I said?
David:Speaking unto men to edification, exhortation and comfort.
David:When you prophesy, it doesn't mean you got hit by a bolt of lightning.
David:That's number one.
David:It can happen, but it doesn't have to be that.
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David:All men and women, because it says everybody in the church can prophesy.
David:So all people can speak unto edification, exhortation, and comfort.
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Speaker D:I'd like to leave you with this deep thought before we're going to break.
David:For our trivia question, but here's a really deep thought.
David:If women could not teach younger men, there would be a lot of younger men who would never be taught by a parent.
David:Is that incredibly ridiculous?
David:You already know that's dumb.
David:You don't even have to build a theology around it.
David:You can just go, oh, yeah, that's dumb.
David:Yes.
David:It's very specific what Paul is talking about, about being silent.
David:And in that particular scene, there's a very, very great difference in how they.
Speaker D:Were set up in the church.
David:In fact, in the early temples, especially when they were expounding on doctrine, the.
Speaker D:Men would be on the right and the women would be on the left.
David:And what Paul mainly addressed is women going, hey, Harry, what does he mean by that?
Speaker D:Talking in the middle of the church.
David:While the people are talking.
Speaker D:That's a bad call.
David:That's why the scripture says, ask your husbands at home.
David:That's what that all has to do with.
David:But I want to make sure you understand something.
David:Women are a beautiful creation of God and give it the credit, God made man.
Speaker D:And many say this, and you have.
David:To enjoy it because it's cute.
Speaker D:And then he went and refined a.
David:Man by making a woman.
David:That's cute.
David:I mean, I like it.
David:And without women in our lives, there's a lot of trouble.
David:I'd like to see everybody procreate without women.
Speaker D:Hello.
David:Get it.
David:Okay, so my point in saying all of that is just to understand what he's trying to do.
David:He's not trying to put women in a box.
David:He's trying to honor them for what they're doing.
David:It's tell him, hey, watch yourself.
David:Don't get too wild, don't get too woolly, don't be drinking and start talking a whole bunch.
David:That's a bad plan.
David:Don't do that.
David:Teach what's good.
David:So you encourage younger women to love their husbands and to love their children.
Speaker D:And to be self controlled.
David:When we get back from our trivia question, I'm going to really dive into that because I have a very pointed position that I'm going to take.
David:Some of you may not like it, but then again, you speak for the author and not the audience.
David:Okay, so let's take a deep breath.
David:How does he do all that without breathing?
David:That's what I ask my daughter when she's talking to me.
David:Here's your first trivia question.
Speaker D:All of these trivia questions are about angels.
David:Not angels, angels.
David:The angel of the Lord appeared to this man and he said, arise and.
Speaker D:Take the young child and his mother.
David:And flee to Egypt and be there until I bring you word.
David:For Herod is seeking the young child to destroy him.
David:Who's the young man the Lord appeared to?
David:Who did the angel of the Lord?
David:Who did the angel of the Lord say that to?
David:Who had that dream?
David:Who had that encounter where the angel of the Lord appeared to him and says, arise, Take the young child and his mom hit the road, go to Egypt, be there until I tell you to leave.
David:Herod is looking to take him out.
Speaker D:What's the young man that heard that.
David:Message from an angel?
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David:It'S such a happy sound.
David:I mean, it is.
David:It's such a happy sound.
David:You can't.
David:If you listen to that and frown, your name is Eeyore.
David:I mean, come on, it's my birthday.
David:I mean, that's just so happy.
David:I'm so happy for you.
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David:That was great.
David:I love it.
David:All right, here's the bottom line.
David:Here's your trivia question.
David:The angel of the Lord appeared to a man.
David:A young man.
Speaker D:Arise.
David:Take your young child and his mom.
David:Flee into Egypt.
David:Stay there until I bring word for you.
Speaker D:For Herod is seeking the life of.
David:The child who was the young man.
David:Matthew 2:13 I probably should have gave you the reference, although we just did.
Speaker D:Christmas.
David:I mean, seriously.
David:Matthew 2:13.
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David:And I have no reservation teaching this.
David:Although some of you might think Spoon man has lost it.
David:Well, that's what the kids think on a regular basis.
David:Why not everybody else?
David:Here we go.
David:Going back to that text, it says this in the same way.
David:Older women are to be reverent in behavior.
David:Not slanderers, not slaves to excessive drinking.
David:Yes, they're put together pretty close.
David:They are to teach what is good.
David:So they may encourage the younger women to wait, wait, wait.
David:Love their husbands, to love their children, to be self controlled, pure workers at home, kind and in submission to their husbands.
Speaker D:So the word of God will not be slandered.
David:So let's just declare the word of God.
David:And I'm going to say something.
David:Some of you are going to go, what?
David:I haven't thought of it that way.
David:And you need to.
David:And here's what is said.
Speaker D:The younger women by the older women.
David:Are to be taught.
David:Watch.
David:To love their husbands and to love their children.
David:I would like to point out to.
Speaker D:You that it does not say to.
David:Love their children and then to love their husbands.
David:That is absolutely incorrect and sinful.
David:The first thing they're encouraged to do is love their husbands.
David:Now it is true that in many relationships the husband is kind of like a jerk or in many relationships the wife is kind of like a jerk.
Speaker D:It happens.
David:Because guess what sin is in the world and there are jerky people.
David:You're not going to change that.
David:So you may as well just acknowledge that until the Lord comes back.
David:But the scripture is clear.
David:The parents, mom and dad, male and female.
David:No homosexual, no transgender garbage.
David:None of that's permitted.
David:The mom and the dad are supposed to love each other first, then the children.
David:Otherwise I'll just make it as clear as I can.
David:You're giving the opportunity for a divided parent leadership.
David:And what happens when there's division?
David:When a house is divided, it will fall.
David:Never ever do the kids get the priority from the spouses over the spouses.
David:And you're thinking, but that's so wrong.
David:Everything should be sacrificial for the kids.
David:If you want to have good kids, then the parents have to be united, period.
David:And this idea that you can side.
Speaker D:With the kids against the other spouse.
David:Is stupid and sinful.
Speaker D:Wow, Dave, wow.
David:I read an article recently by a very well respected Christian publication saying that children come first.
David:Absolutely incorrect.
David:The husband and the wife and the family need to be one and through that unity, they are to minister to and parent the children together.
David:And while parents may make many sacrifices for their kids, they cannot sacrifice their unity.
David:If one child says it to one parent, that child says it to both parents.
David:That's how it always should be.
David:That's how families should be.
Speaker D:And then when the children get older.
David:And depart, guess what?
Speaker D:They will have that instruction when they.
David:Establish their new family.
David:And that how is it supposed to be?
David:That is what God calls for.
David:Remember, it's Adam and Eve first, then the kids.
David:There's a reason for that.
David:There's a reason for that unity.
David:Now, some people are like, well, my husband's abusive, or my wife is this.
David:I'm not talking about that.
David:I'm talking about the general rule of living together as husband and wife.
David:As parents.
David:Love the spouse, then the children.
David:The answer to your trivia question, who was the young man, by the way?
David:The angel said, arise, take your child.
Speaker D:And your mother, get into Egypt.
David:I'll bring you back when it's time.
David:Because Herod is seeking to destroy the young child.
David:The young man who heard that message was Joseph.
David:Joseph heard that message.
David:All right, we'll take a short break, then come back.
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Speaker G:And we've talked about this before, you.
David:Know, knocks him, you know, knocks him.
Speaker G:Off his donkey and blinds him, okay?
Speaker G:Now you just have to imagine you're on a donkey, bamo.
Speaker G:You're on the ground.
Speaker G:Okay?
David:Okay.
Speaker G:Not on a comfy table or a comfy chair or a comfy bed.
Speaker G:On the ground and you're blind.
David:So this is a real wake up call.
Speaker G:And then Jesus says to him, saul, before he becomes Paul, you know, why are you persecuting me?
Speaker G:And what does Paul say, Saul say?
Speaker G:He says, who are you?
David:Right?
David:Because this is like, you know, this is, you know, outer limits stuff right here.
Speaker G:And then Jesus goes, I'm Jesus, whom you're persecuting.
David:Ah, but the irony behind that is.
Speaker G:That Jesus made the identification with the church because Saul was persecuting the church.
Speaker G:But Jesus goes, I'm the one you're persecuting.
Speaker G:Now, see how he connects himself to the people.
